Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-5970192-20151008192705/@comment-26816157-20151010042632

Alright, I showed up late to the party, per usual. Let's get my 2 cents and see where we stand.

1) Ditto Miss Renegade's response.

2) The table structures are jank. That's why I tried to get the delinquents into a better consumable state. When thinking of what to add to a table, I mainly just look at what changes whenever I upgrade a unit. Even with the delinquents, I took spawn level out because it was a linear value that didn't need to be there. I agree that trying to redo every table will be a chore, and we will always be a little behind since there are only a few of us trying to gather data on a game that's been out for more than a year, with more coming all the time. To MR's (can I call you that?) point, it's not just higher level people consuming this data. When I first came here, all I wanted to see was damage per crate spent. I was a n00b and just needed quick info. I didn't know strats. I just knew that if I had a certain unit, I could trend where they would be at level X. Would it be worth my time to run a fire chief or a lumberjack to 10? Another thing, the new units. Is it worth my real world money to buy coins to buy packs? (hint, the 3.4 units, IMO, were trash)

3) I'm pretty excited to see how this will change.

4) Ditto MR's reponse again. After seeing the same questions on the forums, it's a little annoying that no one knows how the F to search. And not just unit stats, but basically everything we've added in the last month or two, heh. I try to talk to T-Bone before gathering his info for here. From what I can tell, he just likes making shiney stuff. Haha. So him adding stuff to his tableau is him just doing his thing. But everything I've asked for, he's been fine with us posting here. This is part of the reason I created the misc and helpful links pages. It's either data that people can go to themselves, or stuff that should be digested here.

4.1) Tangentally related, if you look at other game wikis on here, you can find all that info in other places as well. The Elder Scrolls one is amazing. Worth the look if you haven't. But they have tried to gather as much info as possible into a single place. I've looked at the unit stuff there and thought about how cool it would be to get legit templates like this bear. Maybe that's a way for us to clean up so much of our redundant data.

5) Is this much different than #2 above? Either way, gathering it all into a meaningful way may vary from person to person, depending on who is consuming it. That's why for the delinquents I just put all of their stats on the page with any alterations to them. The deployments per level, etc. I created this spreadsheet with all the human units stat names on it. Maybe we can go through that and see what could be filtered and where to.  The most difficult thing is going back to old units like the TB and "redoing" his table. There are already discrepancies with TB given X perk. The parenthesis mean something different at different levels. The delinquents have perk specific data in it's own column. That might be a direction to go with. One idea Unholy brought up was figuring out formulas for unit progession. I tried taking the gunsmith's data, tossing it into google sheets and seeing if i could glint any kind of pattern. Here  The only thing I learned was that I haven't done algebra in 20+ years. But, google does do something cool with their spreadsheets now. You can do data exploration. So given different data, it will show you relevant graphs. If you look in the lower right corner, there is a little star. Click that and view the hotness. I've though semi seriously about starting a/several spreadsheets and putting unit data in them. Then maybe we can start to hunt down formulas. Thoughts on that? Or, if we can figure out how to add graphs to the wiki...

Anyway, I'm glad we're having this discussion. I think with all of us coming from different angles, we'll be able to dial in on a great source of information. Thanks to all of you helping out.

Do we want to post something on Unholy's wall to see what he might think about all of this? I don't know how I missed this in the wiki activity, but I did.